Comments on: Too good to be true: Why the pictures of David Osborn fascinate us https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/ Leica cameras, photography and discussion Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:09:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: garlo https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81184 Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:09:15 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81184 4 minutes read turned into about 2 hours going over his ebook. I am intrigued by David’s painting with digital imaging workflow. Definitely grabbed my attention more than the average 17 second on each images.

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By: David Osborn https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81124 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 22:50:58 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81124 I’m interested in reading the comments posted to date. My reply is as follows. – People stereo-type pictures. Photographers set rules about photography, painters set rules about paintings, but nobody investigates pictures in general. – Why do you have to stereo-type pictures and not just see them ‘as pictures’?

I’m interested in: How as humans we relate to pictures, respond to pictures and how the brain processes images, and how we can use that knowledge for creating better images. If we understand how people perceive and respond to pictures and codify some fundamental visual principles for pictures ‘in general’, we can use those principles to create better pictures of any subject, in any style, in any media. – We become better ‘picture-makers’.

They’re universal visual and artistic principles based on human nature and psychology. – If we understand how we ‘read’ pictures, it makes us better at ‘writing’ or creating pictures. – Many of the principles I found are based on understanding human nature and how our brain processes images of any type, be it art or day-to-day life. Many of these principles were used by old master painters, but photographers don’t use them because photographers don’t want to alter their images. They expect the camera to do all the work, but it can’t because a camera is only a mechanical tool. Not altering pictures is a rule photographers apply to pictures, but it’s only a self imposed rule.

Many of these principles are covered in my tutorial, what I call on my website an ‘ebook’. Knowledge that applies to anyone making images. The educational benefit of my pictures is found in reading my tutorial.

The ‘look’ of my pictures is missing the point, it’s the visual principles behind my pictures that’s important. – Style is only superficial, it’s just my personal style and love of old master painters. The style is different for every one of us, but the visual principles don’t change because we’re all people and we process pictures using the same processes.

May I suggest reading my ‘e-book’? That’s where the knowledge is and it’s knowledge that applies to everyone. – I will keep following the comments. I’m interested.

Best regards, David.
Just a quick reply, I’m on the road at the moment, so it’s not perfect.

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By: Chris Rodgers https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81120 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 18:19:37 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81120 In 1998 I went on a week’s landscape photography course in Tuscany. There were two tutors for nine of us aspiring landscape photographers. The recommended film was Velvia and our results were judged a couple of days later once the film had been developed. The real creative work was done before pressing the shutter, with filters being the only tools available to alter what nature was displaying through the viewfinder. Old habits die hard and I am really not interested in all this post-processing malarkey.

On my walls at home I have many paintings from old masters as canvas photographic prints. I have toured many art galleries here in Britain and on the continent and where copyright allowed, snapped away with acceptable results. On the main wall in my lounge I have five Rembrandt paintings with the famous “Night Watch” from the Rijksmuseum being the centrepiece. I am very happy with the images as they are now without wanting to “enhance them” to nullify the effects of ageing which could I am sure be done with post-processing.
Chris

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By: William Fagan https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81112 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:19:41 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81112 On seeing his first daguerreotype around 1839/40, the French painter Paul Delaroche said ” from today painting is dead”. He was wrong, of course, and indeed he continued to teach painting to others, including the son of Louis Daguerre. Less than 20 years later, the Dublin photographer, James Robinson, was successfully sued for making a coloured stereo photographic copy of a famous painting by Henry Wallis called ‘The Death of Chatterton’. Since then, painting and photography have had a relationship which was sometimes tolerated (e.g. pictorialism) and sometimes controversial (e.g. The Cottingley Fairies and Arthur Conan Doyle). It has always been possible to alter the content of images with brushes and in the darkroom. However, the possibilities have increased immensely since the digital turn. Dunk is right in saying that this type of altered reality has found a home in camera club competitions, but I had thought that the fad had disappeared somewhat more recently, but that AI nonsense has given it a whole new lease of life.

David’s pictures above look ‘nice’ and they may be the sort of thing which might appeal to people who are not really interested in photography and consider painting to be a superior art, which is an awful lot of people in my experience. Indeed, many such people might think that David’s images were actually paintings. With the advent of ‘AI’ etc we probably need to define what is and what is not ‘photography’, which term was intended to describe drawing with light. I’m not sure that the term ‘altered photography’ would fit, but it would be preferable to ‘enhanced photography’ as the question of ‘enhancement’ is often debatable.

I don’t mind what people do with images, but my preference is for images that reflect the reality of what a photographer saw and which were created using light. I don’t think that it is time to reverse Delaroche’s statement and say “From today photography is dead”, but with the exponential rate growth of possibilities to alter images electronically we probably need to look at our definitions to avoid confusing our audiences and ourselves as photographers.

William

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By: Tom Brennan https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81103 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 10:38:10 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81103 I have read a few of David’s articles over the years and been interested in his approach. I’m not sure of putting people in period costumes into the images works for me, but the purely architectural and landscape are meticulously executed.

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By: Kathy Davis https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81101 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:05:58 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81101 Thanks for posting this. As others, I have certain misgivings, but I am fascinated by these reworkings of photos. I’m very glad I got to see these. I was interested enough to visit the artist’s website, where he shows some of the stages in making these — how shall we call them?

Very interesting and challenging!

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By: dunk sargent https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81078 Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:50:59 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81078 Reminds me of some camera club competition / exhibition entries – for which some PAGB approved judges award commendations – thus encouraging other entrants to produce similar images, i.e., in the same or similar ‘style’. “Each to their own” but for me personally, they fail the ‘on my wall’ test. I’m all for creativity but years ago I recall similar styles of imaging (pre-digital) were termed “Noddy van Gogh” pictures. Superb technique but “leaves me cold”. When we’ve seen one, other similar interpretations all look ‘same old, same old’.

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By: Cdlinz https://www.macfilos.com/2025/01/15/too-good-to-be-true-why-the-pictures-of-david-osborn-fascinate-us/#comment-81077 Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:33:39 +0000 https://www.macfilos.com/?p=82232#comment-81077 I am a street photographer. But i went on a landscape photography workshop for the experience/adventure. It was eye opening to me how much time and effort goes into massaging a landscape image in post. Often the end results are radically different from the starting point. In street photography the ‘ethos’ is much more about getting the image you want ‘in camera’. I don’t necessarily think either approach is better or correct but it is definitely different. I see continued divergence as the processing tools evolve. We are just going to have to live with it. Osborne’s photography based creations are beautiful and that’s good enough for me.

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